I’m not particularly good at interviews but this is probably the best one I’ve ever done, and others have acclaimed it as one of Paul Hickman’s best. Paul asked good questions and I was on form. I had forgotten all about this until someone reminded me of it, telling me it had made a big impression on him at the time.

The recording was marred however, particularly by Paul and I speaking over each other. Sometimes we would both stop, wait for the other, then resume at exactly the same instant (being over the ’phone there were no visual cues). This made the interview hard to listen to at times, and this was the main impetus for editing it. It was an opportunity to learn the modern way, since the last time I edited audio was with magnetic tape.

Paul was active in nationalist circles in Birmingham and regrettably is no longer with us. He committed suicide early in November 2017 while being hounded by the police for putting up stickers, possibly as part of one of National Action’s publicity stunts around that time. He feared he would lose his sight while in prison without the medical treatment he needed (a fear which was probably unfounded). He was an alcoholic also. Having suffered from much police persecution myself I can understand his state of mind, and alcohol is known to intensify suicidal ideation. He was found dead a few days before he was due to appear in court.

Incidentally in 2025, active supporters of the Palestinian cause were aghast at having been designated a “terrorist group” and seemed to think this had never happened before. In fact National Action, briefly mentioned in the interview, were so designated for far more innocuous publicity stunts in December 2016.

Editing has made the interview easier to listen to and also shorter. It is very wide-ranging and runs to almost 95 minutes. There is a break in the middle. It definitely has its high moments – Paul can be heard chuckling away in the background sometimes.

This MP3 file was originally intended as a test version and is overcompressed, though this is probably not significant given the original was hardly hi-fi. For the second time, the police took away and destroyed all my computers, software and data. (Other times they took them away but returned them.) This surviving version is adequate, won’t take up much space and is certainly worth listening to and saving.

Left-clicking on the link should open the MP3 file and stream it. Otherwise, right-click and select “Save as...” to download. It can then be played using various media players.

albi97sm.mp3

Notes and Corrections

• In the second half of the original interview I said “I’ve got nothing against women.” Some thought went into whether to leave this in or edit it out. Ultimately the best metric is ‘Is it true?’ It was evidently my sentiment at the time, but is not true now.

  The view has been advanced (I think by Anglin) that “Complaining about the nature of women is like complaining that water is wet.” Yes, water is wet, that is an immutable fact, so we do our best to stop it getting into our house. Unfortunately, certain forces have thwarted our attempts to do so, and our houses are now flooded, metaphorically speaking.

  Contemplating this I recalled an incident in an Amsterdam supermarket. At the time, women were putting their small dogs into shopping carts and wheeling them around the supermarket. Apparently this had been happening to such a degree that staff had given up enforcing the ‘No dogs’ rule. Seeing this one day, I said to the woman “That dog shouldn’t be in here” and she replied “I’m being naughty.”

  This of course accords with the standard female policy of minimizing their own wrong-doing (to the level of childish naughtiness in this instance) while exaggerating to absurdity the failings of their opponents. To me at least, it illustrates women being well aware that their actions are wrong. Instincts and insecurity impel them to do whatever they can get away with, but they know in their heart of hearts that their behaviour is wrong. They are frightened of losing control, and also deep in their subconscious they yearn for men to regain their natural dominance and take responsibility from them. However, due to malevolent and misguided agents, the male is practically powerless to do so.

• Regarding the ability to establish sex differences in babies, I said in the interview that differences can be measured three days after birth. It is actually just a few hours.
• The biologist Robert Trivers mentioned in the interview gained prominence with his work on reciprocal altruism and parental investment.
• Regarding coverture (couverture), this is Sir William Blackstone in his Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765):

  By marriage, the husband and wife are one person in law: that is, the very being or legal existence of the woman is suspended during the marriage, or at least incorporated and consolidated into that of the husband: under whose wing, protection and cover, she performs everything.

  According to Steve Moxon in The Woman Racket, aspects of this legal principle were still in force in some American states in the 1950s. Coverture was abandoned much more recently.

• Revilo P. Oliver spoke of whites who “wallow in ecstasies of self-abasement and self-hatred” and called it “perverted collective masochism.”
• The DSoD Theory was mentioned. This is detailed here. DSoD (spoken as “dee-sod”) is short for the “dishonest submergence of difference” (one of the four components of the theory).
• The original, unedited interview is still online here.
• At the end, it may be asked, How was the “dog” beaten in this case? It took the form of the psychological mechanisms females employ to deter male attempts to obtain the amenities she can endow. Particularly relationships, physical sex and the production of progeny; in a word, sex. These deterrents raise the cost of sex; it’s as if practically everything females do serves to raise the cost of sex, or equivalently its value.

  The mechanism of note is transduction. Something that could have been mentioned in the interview was my discovery that a woman could induce a sense of having been rejected even when I really had no interest in her, and had not made any kind of proposal. In TOA I identified some men as “victims of transduction.” Being aware of the mechanism helped me personally to avoid its adverse effects (e.g. lack of self-esteem) but I confess that the psychological effects of performing those experiments in Amsterdam has lingered. In one of the references cited in my paper on Neurotic Transfer it was observed that neurosis, once conditioned, “can persist for the lifetime of the animal.” The terms used are incubation and extinction. The point being made is that the fantastic knowledge I gained was not without cost.

• A forgotten box of Musigyny CD’s has turned up if anyone would like one.